No none electric car sales from 2030??

[gridgway]

Ah interesting, so I assume that the 7k is 4k discount and 3k picg?

[inaglasshouse]

Ah interesting, so I assume that the 7k is 4k discount and 3k picg?

Strictly speaking...
3K grant
2.5K finance deposit contribution from VW (so you only get this if you use their finance)
1.5K from the dealer

[gridgway]

Perhaps it's a possibility to replace Mrs R's 3 year old Zoe after all! I'll have to have a look and see how the PCP monthlies are.

[rhd racer]

I think we are going to get one when the eGolf goes back next year...

[Tosh]

BTW I am pretty optimistic that car usage is going to self regulate to an end point that works fine (for those of us who can charge at home, anyway).

The way I see it:
All new cars, capable of carrying passengers in reasonable comfort, are boring. Yes, all.
I've bought (well, leased) properly fast german cars (RS4, RS6, M5) and slower german cars (535i, current 440i) for years. Very competent, but not fun. Dull. For 99% of the journeys I've done in them, a well-engineered EV with decent music would have been completely fine. For the other 1% I should have taken an old loud car with a manual gearbox.

For me, the family car being an EV is not a sacrifice. I can charge at home. It will be about as fast, and about as dull, as all the other cars I've had recently. Just an appliance. Might save a few polar bears and save me some money to buy toys.
At 250 mile+ range I will hardly ever need to use a public charging point.
Judging by the number of Teslas in the school car park already, plenty of people feel the same way about their family cars, and will have no issues getting an EV next time around, especially as the choice available expands.

So.... it's my assertion that a lot of people who buy or lease brand new cars (who clearly don't mind losing money in depreciation) will pretty happily switch to EVs in the next 5 years.
When that starts to happen, I just can't see old (really old, aka "classic") cars being legislated off the road in this country. Perhaps I'm naive. But it's not happened so far. For those of us eccentric enough to change our own gears, fix stuff that breaks, and drive something 40+ years old, we already enjoy no MoTs, no road tax, no London emissions zone problems. We're just a weirdo minority, far too few of us to shift the needle on emissions. As long as we broadly behave ourselves, we will probably be left alone.

Fingers crossed, anyway.

Late Brake show on Youtube...
Jonny has done a visit to an EV component company and it looks really cool and developing kits using the MX5 (mk2) as a mule. However... also developing kits for G-series+ 911s and Pagodas that are bolt in. Really cool.
Then I got to thinking, assuming the powers that be humour the rolling 40+ brigade, and we are using them on high-days and holidays, why spend £20k+ to convert your SC when you do 2-3000 miles a year at best. The market, surely, has to be in the last of the analog/"hybrid" cars that people want to buy/own/drive (and or the developing the tech to confuse the ECU into thinking there's an engine in there somewhere) so that just old cars (let's be gracious and call them youngtimers) can get the cash spent on them to keep them on the road

My Boxster won't be ULEZ compliant from October (I am 400m inside the ULEZ zone in South London). It's 19 years old. I either sell it to someone in Scotland or do I put an EV in it (need an ECU bypass or whatever) to lengthen it's life? The latter is not, currently, an option .The Pagoda will be ICE until they decide the "juice is worth the squeeze" of outlawing it (and killing off the specialists that maintain them at the same time)

[map]

My Boxster won't be ULEZ compliant from October (I am 400m inside the ULEZ zone in South London). It's 19 years old. I either sell it to someone in Scotland or do I put an EV in it (need an ECU bypass or whatever) to lengthen it's life? The latter is not, currently, an option.

The ULEZ checker has been known to use incorrect (assumption?) data for some 986 - it isn't always wrong but getting the correct Emissions data from Porsche has seen a number of 986s being re-assessed and listed as "clean enough" for the ULEZ.

[gridgway]

Good point, that has been talked about quite a lot on pistonheads.

[impmad2000]

Zero EV that did the MX5 also did a Boxster, also a very neat conversion.

[sisu]

I actually think this will benefit non EV cars.
The popularity of aircooled 911s only became a thing once the 996 cars were being built.
Sometimes people forget that there are people outside of the bubble, read any car magazines and most are focused on enthusiasts, the EV car scene is the same. I always look at what the car journalists wife or girlfriend drives as this is more reflective of reality outside of the car nerd world.
Tesla positioned the Model S to cover the cost of the car, not the car itself, the Model 3, X and Y. To me they are an electric Ford Mondeo.
The genius was not making the car, but the supercharge network even though most EVs are charged at home or work. Porsche have missed the boat with the Taycan as it is just their version of a Model S, a 4 door sedan in a world of SUVs

Which is why EV swapped 911s or any classic car with an EV conversion on the used market is not buoyant. The main selling point is that it is reversible. It is the same man maths as putting a Corvair motor in a 911. It is great if the aftermarket dies or no one improves on the transplant, say like what people have done with the NSU Ro80s with a Mazda rotarys.
The EV car technology is moving fast, so the outlook is that everything is getting cheaper and better is great if you are selling these to people who are ok spending £25,000 on an engine rebuild. But not selling your 5 year old EV conversion is now out of date.

Which is where the Vonnen Shadow drive eclipses a full EV transplant. They just add a 100hp motor where the flywheel is and a smaller battery to your existing 911. It runs and drives like a normal 911, but with assistance. This is where the future will be as like the restomod or reimagine market, it is enhancing the formula that brought people to that car. You arent going down the LS3 conversion of a 944, RX7, TVR, Aston of it becoming more like a Corvette.

[911FVD]

We zoom along blissfully to such a prospect.
Sci-Fi always comes true eventually....

Oh dear I hope not..............well anyone that has watched the Charlton Heston/Edward G. Robinson movie ''Soylent Green''................but then I am partial to a McVities chocolate

The film looked forward to the future year 2022 and having to overcome climate tradgedies and pollution.

Steve

[gridgway]

Which is where the Vonnen Shadow drive eclipses a full EV transplant. They just add a 100hp motor where the flywheel is and a smaller battery to your existing 911.

Wow, that's very interesting tech! Not sure what use it is at $75k, but certainly a fabulous niche product!

I wonder if the 901 box in my hot rod would be ok?

[hot66]

Which is where the Vonnen Shadow drive eclipses a full EV transplant. They just add a 100hp motor where the flywheel is and a smaller battery to your existing 911.

Wow, that's very interesting tech! Not sure what use it is at $75k, but certainly a fabulous niche product!

I wonder if the 901 box in my hot rod would be ok?

Matt Farah of the smoking tire test drove the 997 with it fitted and loved it

https://youtu.be/9fsaGEbO9ig


EDIT .. just realise the same vid has been posted in the other thread

[gridgway]

Looks fab! Not sure my 69T has a canbus though. Also every time I watch a youtube vid, I get Moggie's chirpy face up in the adverts. Is this some sort of retribution for me being a bad person?

[Nine One One]

https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/will ... ws_Weekend

[gridgway]

Looks fab! Not sure my 69T has a canbus though. Also every time I watch a youtube vid, I get Moggie's chirpy face up in the adverts. Is this some sort of retribution for me being a bad person?

reading the Vonnen website further they look to be developing a control system for "analogue" cars, using a throttle pot and brake pressure sensor. Perhaps it'll work on my 911 after all!