... that is the question

[Bootsy]

Depends what spec you build the bitsa - your main savings over building it stock are engine and gearbox. However I'd agree you'll save a fair bit there if you go out and buy a box and engine (without too much preference on spec) rather than having them rebuilt

Plus a full (documented) and quality restored rhd T to stock spec would realise more than £45K in this country. Stock early cars in very good condition are becoming more sought after by the day.

Please don't think I'm some sort of advocate of building a stock car - far from it. My car ownership history demonstrates that and whenever I've owned stock cars I've tended to move them on quickly. However it really is worth weighing up everything in line with your objective.

[210bhp]

This whole thing tells me several things,


The conundrum of restoring and working out all the options/costs available is best done BEFORE a purchase.

The fast track buying medium that is EBAY makes an uncalculated impulse purchase likely without rational thinking beforehand.

You can end up buying something you THINK is what you want but not all early 911's will deliver what you THOUGTH you wanted.

The historic nature and it's preservation,long term, of any Porsche has now become secondary to short term thinking.

Buyers expect a return sooner rather than later from any early 911 purchase when most road vehicles lose money the instant they are bought.

These cars are not being sold/bought for the admiration of each and every wonderful variant for preservation but for perceived performance and self gratification of ownership in a lot of cases.



It is logical, is it not, that if a 3.2 engined, manual gearbox, red exterior, updated interior and faster performance vehicle was one's ultimate goal then that would have been the car to search out and buy. There is such a vehicle on piston heads right now at £10500 ready to drive tomorrow and you would have £5500 worth of free petrol if you re-sell the olive car to a true enthusiast at your purchase price.

I made the very same error of judgement myself in the 80's when I finally (and desperately) bought my first early 911 so we are all prone to the same irrational thinking.


Regards
Mike

[Bootsy]

T There is such a vehicle on piston heads right now at £10500 ready to drive tomorrow and you would have £5500 worth of free petrol if you re-sell the olive car to a true enthusiast at your purchase price.

This one http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... iment=true

[955sp]

[hot66]

I wouldn't take it personally ... Mike likes his originality but I think even he'll admit he's not one to shy away from modifications ... I'm a massive believer in building the car 'you' want & stuff everyone else. The enjoyment we get from these cars is different for everyone , you just need to look at the diverse cars that turn up when some of us get together for a drive ... everything from full on Orignality Concours cars to wild hot rods to cars that have been subtly modified by their long term owners

... my opinion on values, a real high quality hot rod build IMHO would be worth as much if not more as a stock resto'd sporto T and additionally appeal to a bigger market ( just look at the popularity of Magnus's cars )

[955sp]

[210bhp]

There is nothing personal in my remarks and I am certainly not shouting only emphasising. Shouting is not in my nature. The diversity of Ddk is to be applauded and the discussion centres around the car and it's position in the history of Porsche. I am disappointed (nothing more nothing less) that you do not see yourself as a contributor to the history/preservation of the marque.

Edit: and no, I was not a bidder on the car

Double edit: you have already outlined your costs to restore this car will be more than it would cost to buy a 2.4S.





Regards
Mike

[Bootsy]

Oh and I think for the benefit of the many people on this forum who have modified their cars I think you need to rethink your understanding of the meaning "enthusiast".

Don't worry I think Mike is known for his passion and knowledge to a point where it would be very difficult for most forum users to take offence from his comments whether they drive modified or stock cars.

[squirejo]

Double edit: you have already outlined your costs to restore this car will be more than it would cost to buy a 2.4S.

Not after Essen! 150k next stop!

[hot66]

Double edit: you have already outlined your costs to restore this car will be more than it would cost to buy a 2.4S.

Not after Essen! 150k next stop!

£200k next stop

[mycar]

T There is such a vehicle on piston heads right now at £10500 ready to drive tomorrow and you would have £5500 worth of free petrol if you re-sell the olive car to a true enthusiast at your purchase price.

This one http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... iment=true

Does Steve know about this opportunity ?

[Grenoble39]

I have to say that I think Mike's advice is eminently sensible, especially that of getting quotations BEFORE (dare I use capitals?) making a restoration purchase. Indeed, if one was embarking on one's first Classic car (especially Porsche) restoration one could get an enormous shock regarding costs - unless one had very deep pockets!
Good luck with it,
Howard

[955sp]

[Bootsy]

DDK is always sighted as welcoming and the community spirit is what has served us well for the last decade.

Sorry you do not feel you've experienced the same feeling.

I suppose it does depend on ones attitude when getting involved, willingness to listen/take advice and of course not taking advice or opinions personally.

I'll admit I did form an opinion of 'you' based on the content and tone of some of your early posts but that's just a personal thing - I'm a grumpy bugger.

However re reading your brief contributions to the forum I can only see advice given following questions asked with a bit of banter thrown in. - nothing more.

bye bye and good fortune with your project.

[shoestring7]

I'd not followed this thread, but have just checked through to see why you think you have had a rough reception. I can only see good advice given from the basis of a lot of hard-won experience. There are plenty of us have built/are building modified cars and I've never been aware of a serious discrimination against them or their owners - it's your car and your choice of what you do with it, but your OP did ask for views of some of the options available to you. Some posters here prefer standard spec. cars, some don't, but you'd expect that.

A couple of observations; almost without exception, if you want to maximise the financial return from any early 911 it needs to be in as close to original spec. and condition. Second, handing over a car to a specialist and asking them to do a full restoration is absolutely the most expensive option available. There are plenty of others - from doing it all yourself, subcontracting some of the work and doing all the bits you can do yourself, running it as a rolling restoration, or just running it and fixing what goes wrong. There are plenty of examples of each to be read here.

Good luck whichever you decide.

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