Silverstone Auction

912uk · Post by **912uk** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:56 pm

so this is ivory and off white?

Spydermon · Post by **Spydermon** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:44 pm

I really enjoyed reading this Paul, and your photos are excellent as usual.

That is I enjoyed it at first, then I noticed the prices that the cars were selling at......

It started as a vague disquiet, then I felt queasy, then I had to get nurse and the embrocation before I started on the incandescent rage.....luckily I stopped before that point...though I'm still queasy.....

It's the difference between these prices and dealers prices..........

This has rocked me on my heels, I've never really considered auctions before, never been to one........

I must admit that I thought the best cars would be at the dealers, or by private recommendation......but, this has really changed my thinking. I mean with the price gap between that Signal RS and the 'going' price of an RST, you could do a fair few trips abroad and still fix any problems!

Is there a site that lists all the car auctions that RS's would likely to be at?

Thanks again Paul, I feel like I've just been to an important lesson that I've missed in the past.

Are there any obvious caveats with buying Porsche's at auction,

Cheers,

Steve.

NigelC210 · Post by **NigelC210** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:08 pm

Steve
As Paul noted....rust bubbles.
What lies beneath?
And what state the engine and gearbox?

911Smonster · Post by **911Smonster** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:27 pm

Spydermon wrote:
It's the difference between these prices and dealers prices..........

Dealer prices can be very optimistic. Look at the likes of Autofarm, Hairpin Co, Maxted-Page etc. Their cars are usually very nice, but the prices are out of this world! It's a bit like doing your shopping at Harrods. Fine if you're seriously loaded, but you can buy cheaper elsewhere if you put a bit of effort in. Auction prices on the other hand tend to reflect the mood of the market, which would seem a bit gloomy from these results. But IME the very best cars will always sell regardless.

abash914 · Post by **abash914** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:07 pm

Classic & Sports Car publish auction values each month. A useful guide.
AA

richkaz · Post by **richkaz** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:24 pm

This has rocked me on my heels, I've never really considered auctions before, never been to one........

You should try ! Just set a budget. Add the auction house commission + the VAT on the commission and you can't go wrong. Easy !!

About 8 years ago I went to BCA for an entertaining day out and spotted a South African 1964 MB 220seb. It attracted loads of interest but someone was bad mouthing it out loud re rust on the underside. This turned out to sandstorm dust

. I got the hots and set my budget at £8k max. but cooled down when the bidding reached 5.8K within about 15 seconds

. As I started to walk away the bidding suddenly stopped at £6K. I rushed back just in time to bag it for £ 6100 ( £6650 all told). Would have helped at the gas station on the journey home if I had known the petrol filler cap was hidden behind the back number plate

Great car and it had mechanical fuel injection in 1964 ! Liked it so much I bought 2 more 1971 MB 280 3.5 coupes.
Iv'e bought other cars at auction and so far never had a problem. Usually a great day out . If you dont buy anything, you can congratulate yourself on the way home for saving all that hard earned cash

jamie · Post by **jamie** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:46 pm

That is really nice.

912uk · Post by **912uk** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:54 pm

oh that is stunning!!! really stunning... I love those SA Mercs I looked at a few when I was in Cape town but £1000 shipping ekk ....still a great place to buy

you still got that car??

sladey · Post by **sladey** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:55 pm

Ferry Man wrote:OK, so there is a little further to the black RS story.
Though it didin't say in the catalogue it wasn't difficult to see a few things were 'wrong'.
When the car went across the rostrum the auctioneers said (in full and honest disclosure) that it had been pointed out that the car was re-shelled and had later panels.
So, was it a bargain, was it still too much or does it really not matter if you just drive it?

So Paul - can I say my car is a 'reshelled' 2.4 's' with a later engine? and uprated suspension. The front wings are from an early car....

Altogether now...

You say re-shell, I say backdate, you say backdate, I say re-shell
Reshell, backdate, backdate, reshell,
Lets call the whole thing off

Ah thank yew

sladey · Post by **sladey** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:59 pm

Ferry Man wrote:The car had been estimated to sell at £32k-36k.

Loving that grill detail...

Hmmmmm....

jamie · Post by **jamie** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:08 pm

I know it's an ST detail, but what was that spilt horn grille all about?

richkaz · Post by **richkaz** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:33 pm

you still got that car??

Afraid not

Kept it for 2 years and sold it to a computer whizz kid from Dublin. I meet him at Eastleigh Airport where he took one look at it and confidently asked " Who do I make the cheque out to ? "

Just looked up the official Bonhams Silverstone results. All prices are inclusive of buyers premiums ( but I dont think they include the VAT on the premium ).

Red 59 356B coupe £ 18,975
Orange 72 911 3.0 Rally coupe £ 42,000
Silver 70 911T 2.2 £ 12,650
White 64 356C 1600SC £ 25,875
Red 89 flat nose turbo cab £ 43,300
Black / green 73 RS touring coupe £ 73,000
RHD signal yellow RS touring £ 87,300 ( picture looks a mix of signal orange and signal yellow )
White 1990 Carrera 4 £ 9200
RHD white 67 911 2.0L coupe £ 33,925
RHD metallic Green 75 2.7 coupe £ 10,350 ( looked very nice in picture )
Yellow 72 2.4S. NOT SOLD.

Ferry Man · Post by **Ferry Man** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:13 am

sladey wrote:Loving that grill detail...

Hmmmmm....

Oh dear, can't you just stop messing with your car Sladey?

Ferry Man · Post by **Ferry Man** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:15 am

jamie wrote:what was that spilt horn grille all about?

Jamie, it's for the fixings/brackets of 'through the grille lights' although this car evidently no longer has them.
But it now does have that mesh covering the vacant space.
I've never seen that detail before but it's a rather nice end result.

sladey · Post by **sladey** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:22 am

Ferry Man wrote:
sladey wrote:Loving that grill detail...

Hmmmmm....
Oh dear, can't you just stop messing with your car Sladey?

Never! it's what I do

Rear suspension next, then lights or interior after that; brakes, gearbox, engine....

Then start again