House of Karmann
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This seems to be the only picture I have of the fuel tank position. I think its a little forward of the beetle position, but very similar. it would be the same fuel tank. I would love to have used a fuel cell made for the job, but the budget does not stretch that far.
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I already had a fuel tank in the garage which is from an oval so plan to use it. The tank will need to be raised slightly to avoid the suspension and provide some room for the fuel line connection. I want to fit some sort of on/off valve to making removing the tank easy. I also have to add a return fuel line.
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Everything is being built to IVA specification. The fuel tank/ filler position is supposed to be in a closed compartment so its filled from the outside of the car. Not sure how to address this point, guess I will come up with something.
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I already had a fuel tank in the garage which is from an oval so plan to use it. The tank will need to be raised slightly to avoid the suspension and provide some room for the fuel line connection. I want to fit some sort of on/off valve to making removing the tank easy. I also have to add a return fuel line.
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Everything is being built to IVA specification. The fuel tank/ filler position is supposed to be in a closed compartment so its filled from the outside of the car. Not sure how to address this point, guess I will come up with something.
1963 Karmann Ghia
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
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Thank you the details. I too read about the fuel filler for IVA.
Will take a bit of imagination as he tank sits so high.
Will take a bit of imagination as he tank sits so high.
73T 911 Coupe, road/hillclimber 3.2L
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I was considering a through the bonnet fuel filler as I did on my speedster which was IVA ok, but not sure what clearance under the bonnet or location it would feed to. It is still an option at this stage.
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1963 Karmann Ghia
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
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Awkward now that the body is in the paint booth?
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Boxster 987 Gen II 2.9
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Don't think it will be in paint for a few months yet. Still quite a lot of metal work to do.
Hope to get the chassis back home next month ready to finish a multitude of tasks. Then chassis back to body shop to check fit and stance and then back home to strip ready for paint. Anyway you get the idea
Hope to get the chassis back home next month ready to finish a multitude of tasks. Then chassis back to body shop to check fit and stance and then back home to strip ready for paint. Anyway you get the idea
1963 Karmann Ghia
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
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Sorry, thought you were in paint already. Fill the tank via a flap as with the 911?
73T 911 Coupe, road/hillclimber 3.2L
Lola t 492 / 3.2 hillclimb racer
Boxster 987 Gen II 2.9
Lola t 492 / 3.2 hillclimb racer
Boxster 987 Gen II 2.9
Re: House of Karmann
Managed five mins to catch up on progress today. The RHD is being modified with the original LHD dash and a LHD cut section. This should give a finished OEM look;
Dash grit blasted and epoxy primer, mostly to provide good rust protection on the inside
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The LHD dash removed at more or less the original seems;
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Cant believe the high price of KG parts, seems like everything is closer to Porsche than VW,
The door strikers are going to be refurbished with new internals rather than using whole new ones. I would also say the new parts are not the same qulaity. So just need to work out how to get the 2 halfs of the catch apart to fit the new plastic internals and the fiddly little spring;
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Hopefully another update on Friday
Dash grit blasted and epoxy primer, mostly to provide good rust protection on the inside
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The LHD dash removed at more or less the original seems;
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Cant believe the high price of KG parts, seems like everything is closer to Porsche than VW,
The door strikers are going to be refurbished with new internals rather than using whole new ones. I would also say the new parts are not the same qulaity. So just need to work out how to get the 2 halfs of the catch apart to fit the new plastic internals and the fiddly little spring;
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1963 Karmann Ghia
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
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The RHD dash is now more or less finished, certainly fully welded into place. The final result looks OEM, despite RHD cars never having a metal eyebrow over the gauges.
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Pete copied the position of the spot welds under the dash. The fresh air levers and connecting cables will all be as per RHD.
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The steering column has taken some time to figure out how to keep it original but meet IVA test requirements. We used an adapter with two cv joints to give a collapsible element. The CV joints are at opposing angles so in the event of a front end crash the steering column will not push the steering wheel into the driver, but off to an angle away from the driver. I really do agree with IVA regulations when it comes to safety. Any resto-mod car needs to blend the best of both.
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The original column was used to maintain same geometry for steering.
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I think the plan now is to build a trolley for the body and for the chassis to come back home so that I can fit everything up and get it working, set up approx suspension geometry. I have thought about using stainless steel brake and fuel lines, might be difficult to bend into the tight corners needed but look fantastic.
On wheel choice the Sport Classic II's are still top of the list. I would need to use the use the ET65 face from the 10 inch wheel but fitted the the 9 inch barrels. The the ET52 9 inch faces on the 7 1/2 wheel barrels. Bit of a hassle but doable.
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Pete copied the position of the spot welds under the dash. The fresh air levers and connecting cables will all be as per RHD.
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The steering column has taken some time to figure out how to keep it original but meet IVA test requirements. We used an adapter with two cv joints to give a collapsible element. The CV joints are at opposing angles so in the event of a front end crash the steering column will not push the steering wheel into the driver, but off to an angle away from the driver. I really do agree with IVA regulations when it comes to safety. Any resto-mod car needs to blend the best of both.
Steering adapter
The original column was used to maintain same geometry for steering.
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I think the plan now is to build a trolley for the body and for the chassis to come back home so that I can fit everything up and get it working, set up approx suspension geometry. I have thought about using stainless steel brake and fuel lines, might be difficult to bend into the tight corners needed but look fantastic.
On wheel choice the Sport Classic II's are still top of the list. I would need to use the use the ET65 face from the 10 inch wheel but fitted the the 9 inch barrels. The the ET52 9 inch faces on the 7 1/2 wheel barrels. Bit of a hassle but doable.
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1963 Karmann Ghia
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
Re: House of Karmann
Another productive day by Pete,
Rolled the inner lip of the wheel arch to provide more tyre clearance.
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The rear cross support brace had to be reduced in height to fit under the lower KG back end.
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The front body mount to suspension did not line up correctly so had to be cut off and welded back in the correct location. The large bolts are all 10.9 tensile strength which is important when looking at IVA test compliance.
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Rolled the inner lip of the wheel arch to provide more tyre clearance.
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The rear cross support brace had to be reduced in height to fit under the lower KG back end.
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The front body mount to suspension did not line up correctly so had to be cut off and welded back in the correct location. The large bolts are all 10.9 tensile strength which is important when looking at IVA test compliance.
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1963 Karmann Ghia
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
Re: House of Karmann
KG is now officially a RHD
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Steering column into car through the fire wall. Weld collar into place and then use the rubber boot to waterproof seal
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We are not sure what happened to the bottom of the back section of the wing. Compared to the other side its 15 to 20mm closer to the tyre. This is actiually orginal metal which does not look like its been crashed at any point. Maybe it was build that way, by eye. Must have been a day when his/ her eyes were closed.
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Steering column into car through the fire wall. Weld collar into place and then use the rubber boot to waterproof seal
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We are not sure what happened to the bottom of the back section of the wing. Compared to the other side its 15 to 20mm closer to the tyre. This is actiually orginal metal which does not look like its been crashed at any point. Maybe it was build that way, by eye. Must have been a day when his/ her eyes were closed.
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1963 Karmann Ghia
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
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The cross brace support between the original shock mounts wont fit. Pete fabricated simple steel bracket to add strength in mounting body to chassis. It will be a solid body/ chassis mount same as originally used by Volkswagen. It is IVA test compliant.
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1963 Karmann Ghia
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
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Re: House of Karmann
Looking very cool indeed!
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Thanks Keith
Steering column details. The original column mated to 2 x CV joints which should meet IVA requirements for crash purposes.
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Four bolt mounting locations, I will use high tensile bolts which are bolted to a thick plate in the original location. There is also a rubber seal around the cv joint.
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Moving the seat rails in towards the tunnel to better centralise the pedal to seat position. I may leave the passenger seat alone to prevent more shoulder to shoulder contact.
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The chassis should be on its way back soon for further work. I really dont like all the red coloured suspension components but cant justify the cost to change from the original colour.
Steering column details. The original column mated to 2 x CV joints which should meet IVA requirements for crash purposes.
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Four bolt mounting locations, I will use high tensile bolts which are bolted to a thick plate in the original location. There is also a rubber seal around the cv joint.
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Moving the seat rails in towards the tunnel to better centralise the pedal to seat position. I may leave the passenger seat alone to prevent more shoulder to shoulder contact.
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The chassis should be on its way back soon for further work. I really dont like all the red coloured suspension components but cant justify the cost to change from the original colour.
1963 Karmann Ghia
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
1959 356A Coupe Outlaw
1957 3.2 Speedster replica
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Greg work on that dash
Many years ago I did something similar to a geniune RHD Ghia to make an all metal peak over the gauges.
I don't think VW ever produced a pressed metal dash panel for RHD format cars and on the very early SA '59 ghia we had it was factory bastardised from a LHD pressing and the top pad covered the "sins" committed to build exported cars
Keep em coming
Many years ago I did something similar to a geniune RHD Ghia to make an all metal peak over the gauges.
I don't think VW ever produced a pressed metal dash panel for RHD format cars and on the very early SA '59 ghia we had it was factory bastardised from a LHD pressing and the top pad covered the "sins" committed to build exported cars
Keep em coming
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Re: House of Karmann
73T 911 Coupe, road/hillclimber 3.2L
Lola t 492 / 3.2 hillclimb racer
Boxster 987 Gen II 2.9
Lola t 492 / 3.2 hillclimb racer
Boxster 987 Gen II 2.9