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one-two wrote:It's just me and the tumble weed here now! Two questions for the early RHD experts:

1. Did any early RHD cars - those from the 1965 and 66 model years - have a rear screen wiper as original equipment? If not, which is the earliest RHD car to do so?
2. Did RHD/UK market cars from the same period have under-the-bumper fog -lights as standard equipment or were they an option?

Any thoughts gratefully received. Best wishes, Robert

Some of us are still lurking here Robert.
I feel fairly certain that a rear windscreen wiper would only ever been available as an extra. Never seen an early car with one but MMU 911C had one at some time but it was taken off later as non-original equipment.
See Simons write up in Classic Porsche No 20.
All early cars (65-68 911s - RHD incl ) were fitted with 'in the bumper' Hella 128 fog lights as standard. UK cars had clear glass and yellow reflector. Porsche Sales Brochure W 221e dated 4/65 states two fog lights as standard fitment.
Hope this helps. Anyone confirm or otherwise?

Regards

Ian

That's good to hear Ian and many thanks for the contribution. The rear wiper was an unusual, but sometimes seen, option on LHD cars. I am not sure one was fitted to a RHD car from the 1965-66 model years, but stand to be corrected. I think there is more chance one was fitted to a 1967 S? I am also not sure about the under-the-bumper fog-lights. It's not clear to me whether they were standard fit or an option in the UK and, if the latter, whether, as a result of AFN upselling, all/most cars were in practice fitted with them. If standard in the 1965-66 model years, I think they probably ceased to be so in 1967?

I see the early parts book says the rear wiper assembly was available for cars with vin 305*** onwards which indicates 1967 model on.
Incidentally, it is my understanding that all RHD 911s came with the better quality salt and pepper boucle carpets. In all of the restored early LHD cars I have seen they are fitted with square weave. I wonder if this was AFN influence too. Certainly the '68 911L I had was exactly the same carpet as my '65 car. There is no apparent difference between the dashtops either as a matter of interest.

Ian

Robert, PM sent

Anyone know how many RHD's were made for model year 1966 ?

28 RHD 911 were imported into the UK of the 1966 MY type. I do not have information on other countries that may have ordered RHD.

Hope this helps,

Ian

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1965 RHD 911 302136 'Blue Belle'
2001 3.2 Boxster

pgharris wrote:Anyone know how many RHD's were made for model year 1966 ?

Here is one:
https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche/7465/

Thanks DEEMAN and IanM, apreciate your comments, I wonder how we can find out the total worldwide production number of RHD 911 for 1966 MY.

I think that may be a bit difficult. MY 66 is still very early and I think there were only two concessionaires worldwide at that time - AFN for UK and Hamiltons in Australia.
I guess there could be a factory supplied car against a private order but....?
The Kardex sometimes stated if the car was right hand drive but not always. And very few folk have access to these records.
Stuart Kay ('1st' on DDK) may be able to help you with the Australian import number.

Regards

Ian

Thanks Ian, will try the Australian registry and see they have any information.

Of the 28 UK cars, would you know how many were optioned with a sunroof ?

I’ve recently purchased a RHD sunroof car #302771.

Cheers
Phil

Hi Ian, have just re-read your message, will pm Stuart Kay and see if he can help with the Australian import numbers. Thanks again.

Cheers

I see that rhd converted cars are on the spreadsheet, best add mine- 304209. HKT65D, originally black, now white, and partially built to FIA specs by the previous owner. Former historic racer raced by Geoffrey Crabtree.

streetwagens wrote:I see that rhd converted cars are on the spreadsheet, best add mine- 304209. HKT65D, originally black, now white, and partially built to FIA specs by the previous owner. Former historic racer raced by Geoffrey Crabtree.

?? Do you mean rally car , and rallied by Geoff ? (I don't know of him having any racing involvement)

Cortina wrote:

streetwagens wrote:I see that rhd converted cars are on the spreadsheet, best add mine- 304209. HKT65D, originally black, now white, and partially built to FIA specs by the previous owner. Former historic racer raced by Geoffrey Crabtree.

?? Do you mean rally car , and rallied by Geoff ? (I don't know of him having any racing involvement)

Sorry, rally. Pic from a rally in Ireland back in the day.

^^^ Yes - Knockalla stage (during Donegal Rally ) mid to late 1990's , I was about 8 cars behind him !!

Cortina wrote:^^^ Yes - Knockalla stage (during Donegal Rally ) mid to late 1990's , I was about 8 cars behind him !!

That’s it! I found the pics online by a guy called Hamish I think, while trying to find out a bit more about the car. I did speak to Geoffrey about it some time ago, but he rallied quite a few early 91’s at the time with Liz Jordan, so didn’t have any information about this particular one that he could recollect.