Brake drums
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Brake drums
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does anyone know what type of steel was used to make the liners to a 356 brake drum and what the intefearance fit should be at room temp, I think the American registry went into this in some detail butcannnot find the article . Thanks Bill Russell.
does anyone know what type of steel was used to make the liners to a 356 brake drum and what the intefearance fit should be at room temp, I think the American registry went into this in some detail butcannnot find the article . Thanks Bill Russell.
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Bill,
It is /was - Spun Cast Iron but I know nothing about the grades etc
With regard to the interferance fit- it should be possible to work this out if we cut a drum up - I probably have about 40 drums all of which need re-ning
I had a batch re-lined some years ago but I had to have 10 x drums worked on and the bill was £280-00 per drum
That is just too much money tied up in one item and for which most owners do not want to pay
Current Price for new Forged Drums is £750 each - DO NOT even think about producing cast ones - they WILL break
It is /was - Spun Cast Iron but I know nothing about the grades etc
With regard to the interferance fit- it should be possible to work this out if we cut a drum up - I probably have about 40 drums all of which need re-ning
I had a batch re-lined some years ago but I had to have 10 x drums worked on and the bill was £280-00 per drum
That is just too much money tied up in one item and for which most owners do not want to pay
Current Price for new Forged Drums is £750 each - DO NOT even think about producing cast ones - they WILL break
Mike at P.R.S.
www.prs356.com
www.prs356.com
The jan\ feb 2008 356 reg magazine has an article about a company in the uk that re-lines 356 drums. It says they use steel liners that have a 0.015 inch interference fit. They then heat the machined drum to 350 degrees f and drop in the new liner. They also use 4 pins to keep it in place. the company is called crosswaite and gardner. I think roger bray do relined drums on an exchange basis too.
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If Crossthwaite and Gardener say they can do something: they can. They can (and usually have ) made anything. They are currently making a few (!) Grand Prix W125 Mercedes and have already made new V16 Auto Unions for AUDI!!!!! They have also made Ali Knock-on wheels for 356s in the past. Brake drums should be a piece of cake. Winston
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Winston,
You are absolutley correct but it is about quantity, price and return on invested capital
I have all the time in the world for Dick Crossthwaite (Gardner is no longer with us) but it has to be viable for them - and that means 10 x drums at a time and as I said in a previos message it was £280 / drum (6 years ago) - I have no idea what it might be now - Lets guess at £ 350 / drum (it wont be less)
If they are rear drums 50% of them are scrap (splines Shagged) - so there is no recovery on them on an exchange basis
Another 10% of all drums are too heavily corroded to re-sell as re-furbished - so there is no recovery on exchange there
Then, as a company, we really would like to make a profit, just occasionally, - how much do you want to pay for you refurbished drum?
So lets say each drum that we have to supply (because the exchange drum is U/S) is worth £100 in a knackered condition + £350 = £450 + 30% Profit = £585
£750 each from Porsche for a NEW Drum is starting to look quite reasonable
I have not added on the Bank interest on the invested capital - Barclays have just told me that my very small Working Overdarft will cost me 22% /annum next year
You are absolutley correct but it is about quantity, price and return on invested capital
I have all the time in the world for Dick Crossthwaite (Gardner is no longer with us) but it has to be viable for them - and that means 10 x drums at a time and as I said in a previos message it was £280 / drum (6 years ago) - I have no idea what it might be now - Lets guess at £ 350 / drum (it wont be less)
If they are rear drums 50% of them are scrap (splines Shagged) - so there is no recovery on them on an exchange basis
Another 10% of all drums are too heavily corroded to re-sell as re-furbished - so there is no recovery on exchange there
Then, as a company, we really would like to make a profit, just occasionally, - how much do you want to pay for you refurbished drum?
So lets say each drum that we have to supply (because the exchange drum is U/S) is worth £100 in a knackered condition + £350 = £450 + 30% Profit = £585
£750 each from Porsche for a NEW Drum is starting to look quite reasonable
I have not added on the Bank interest on the invested capital - Barclays have just told me that my very small Working Overdarft will cost me 22% /annum next year
Mike at P.R.S.
www.prs356.com
www.prs356.com
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Winston I agree absolutely
As with most of these things, you only buy these items once and as the old adage goes
`Do it Once - Do it Right`
Or for the less enlightened
`Never time to do it Right - but always time to do it over`
As with most of these things, you only buy these items once and as the old adage goes
`Do it Once - Do it Right`
Or for the less enlightened
`Never time to do it Right - but always time to do it over`
Mike at P.R.S.
www.prs356.com
www.prs356.com