Great write up and story Jeremy, I love anything like this.
Keep the info coming.
Frazer Nash/BMW 319
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964 C4 1990, Metallic Black
3.0SC 1978 Targa Imported from California, Guards Red
3.2 RS Replica, 1984 GP White & Blue
997 gen 2 Gt3, 2010 Aqua Blue
996TT Riveria Blue.....sold to Geebee but not forgotten
and a few Motorbikes!!!!
3.0SC 1978 Targa Imported from California, Guards Red
3.2 RS Replica, 1984 GP White & Blue
997 gen 2 Gt3, 2010 Aqua Blue
996TT Riveria Blue.....sold to Geebee but not forgotten
and a few Motorbikes!!!!
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So we arrived back from Germany on the Thursday before Easter, and the transporter driver Nick Bagnall said he’d try and deliver the Frazer Nash/BMW to our house on the next Tuesday.dean1057 wrote:Great write up and story Jeremy, I love anything like this.
Keep the info coming.
A shout out here to the transport company MyCarImport who are based at Castle Donington and their driver Nick Bagnall.
As soon as we knew we’d need to be in Germany the next week I’d googled around to find a company to get the car home and through customs, and up came MyCarImport. I phoned them and asked if they could meet me and pick up this special old car next Wednesday in Greven, North Germany, expecting a lot of sucking of teeth, but Steven the office guy said ‘Yes. I’m pretty confident we can do that’.
They gave me the driver’s name Nick Bagnall, and within hours of calling Steven I got a phone call from Nick from St Tropez, introducing himself. This gave me huge confidence. Nick criss crosses Europe, picking up and dropping off cool cars all over the place. Once you’ve loaded all the car details on to the MyCarImport portal, they take care of everything, picking up, taking through customs, doing all the paperwork, storing if necessary and delivering to your door.
And to track the transporter, you get a live link, and as I found out, constant calls and updates from Nick on the road so you can pinpoint to the minute his arrival time. And of course you can track your vehicle once loaded and on through customs etc..
And this is Nick as he turned his transporter off the main road to come up to deliver the Frazer Nash to our house. I’d recommend MyCarImport to anyone!
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The customs process had apparently gone without a hitch, and the only time plans had to be altered was when Nick found that, as anticipated, the big transporter wouldn’t fit through our gates.
He’d wanted to bring it on a smaller transporter, but he’d had a number of late orders for other cars to collect so on arrival he pulled up in the road and we unloaded the Frazer Nash BMW straight into the road and pushed it up the drive.
And there she was. Repatriated.
Back home in the UK, after some 50 years away, getting a loving and faithful restoration in the hands of Wolfgang Schründher, a great BMW collector and restorer, the man who’d always thought he’d return her to the UK, but sadly didn’t live to see the process through. I certainly wish that I’d met him..
He’d wanted to bring it on a smaller transporter, but he’d had a number of late orders for other cars to collect so on arrival he pulled up in the road and we unloaded the Frazer Nash BMW straight into the road and pushed it up the drive.
And there she was. Repatriated.
Back home in the UK, after some 50 years away, getting a loving and faithful restoration in the hands of Wolfgang Schründher, a great BMW collector and restorer, the man who’d always thought he’d return her to the UK, but sadly didn’t live to see the process through. I certainly wish that I’d met him..
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Yes nice (and the house too)
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But of course the car still wasn’t registered with its original number. And having the original number was really important to me for so many reasons.
I wanted to buy back this car because it was my father’s. All the pictures of the car that I have show it as ASC131 - and the number is tied to the chassis number which ends in 131.
And ASC is a Scottish number - and that’s where the car started its journey, in Scotland in the ownership of actor and car enthusiast Elliot Playfair. And one of the best pictures of is when he hill climbed it at Bo’Ness in 1938.
Even the advertisement from which my father bought the car shows that it’s surely the Frazer Nash/BNW with the ASC number.
I’d also discovered that after my father owned it, ASC131 went into the ownership of the influential Editor of Motor Magazine, Charles Bulmer.
He changed the colour scheme slightly, painting the top of the bonnet black, but it retained the all important reg number.
And of course the number also confirms the competition history of the car - shown here competing in the Exeter Trial.
To get the number we had to get the recommendation of Mark Garfitt, Technical Officer of the BMW Historic Owners Club and one of the most active and knowledgable owners of a 319 Type 55.
Mark came to check over the car, together with Frazer Nash archivist Mike Sythes (who’d first told me that the car was in Germany), and I was a little nervous lest there should be unanticipated discrepancies of some type. They went all through it, every aspect. They were lovely, and even adjusted the clutch for us!
Mark then sat and filled in his recommendation that he’d passed the vehicle in his section on the DVLA form C765 - Application to Register a Vehicle Under its Original Registration Number. And we were then one step closer.
We could also supply additional authenticated evidence, and that for me was to become one of the most intriguing parts of the whole process.
I wanted to buy back this car because it was my father’s. All the pictures of the car that I have show it as ASC131 - and the number is tied to the chassis number which ends in 131.
And ASC is a Scottish number - and that’s where the car started its journey, in Scotland in the ownership of actor and car enthusiast Elliot Playfair. And one of the best pictures of is when he hill climbed it at Bo’Ness in 1938.
Even the advertisement from which my father bought the car shows that it’s surely the Frazer Nash/BNW with the ASC number.
I’d also discovered that after my father owned it, ASC131 went into the ownership of the influential Editor of Motor Magazine, Charles Bulmer.
He changed the colour scheme slightly, painting the top of the bonnet black, but it retained the all important reg number.
And of course the number also confirms the competition history of the car - shown here competing in the Exeter Trial.
To get the number we had to get the recommendation of Mark Garfitt, Technical Officer of the BMW Historic Owners Club and one of the most active and knowledgable owners of a 319 Type 55.
Mark came to check over the car, together with Frazer Nash archivist Mike Sythes (who’d first told me that the car was in Germany), and I was a little nervous lest there should be unanticipated discrepancies of some type. They went all through it, every aspect. They were lovely, and even adjusted the clutch for us!
Mark then sat and filled in his recommendation that he’d passed the vehicle in his section on the DVLA form C765 - Application to Register a Vehicle Under its Original Registration Number. And we were then one step closer.
We could also supply additional authenticated evidence, and that for me was to become one of the most intriguing parts of the whole process.
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Looking forward to hearing it run
The simple things you see are all complicated
I look pretty young but I'm just backdated yeah
I look pretty young but I'm just backdated yeah
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That looks like Mark Garfit and Mike Sythes.
We have managed to get Pirtelli to make some tyres for these cars now.
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/ ... ianca.html
I have had a few delivered, we are wauiting for the bulk to come in soon.
they also fit a Pre A 356 and a 550 Syder
We have managed to get Pirtelli to make some tyres for these cars now.
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/ ... ianca.html
I have had a few delivered, we are wauiting for the bulk to come in soon.
they also fit a Pre A 356 and a 550 Syder
Longstone tyres
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Well spotted Dougal. And interesting news about the Pirellis. I’ll be in touch when I’ve tested what’s on there at the moment. All the best, Jeremy
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If you’ve followed this story you’ll
know just how important it was for ASC131, my father’s old car to be re-allocated its original number. Since locating and then buying and importing the Frazer Nash/BMW this is the thing that really worried me most about the process - dealing with the DVLA.
I don’t need to tell you how important this was. The iconic picture of ASC131 ascending the Bo’ness hillclimb at speed, the grainy pictures of that car - my father’s car, pictures of which I carried in my wallet for so many years, they’re all tied together by that registration number. If I couldn’t get that number I’d feel mighty angry, and frustrated - because surely this car, and that number belong together.
Our submission to the DVLA not only had the assessment from the BMW Historic Owners Club technical officer, Mark Garfitt, confirming the car’s originality, but it also had the Frazer Nash Archives authenticated copy of page 790 of the AFN service records, (AFN were the sole distributors of the Frazer Nash/BMW in the UK).
For me, this document is absolutely fascinating, and here’s why.
I bought Denis Jenkinson’s ‘From Chain Drive to Turbocharger’ some time ago - interested primarily in the Porsche element of this story about AFN, the first Porsche UK distributors. As I got more into the business of finding my father’s old Frazer Nash/BMW, the early days of the company became increasingly relevant.
I learnt the story, from Jenkinson’s book, that Frazer Nash’s had always done well in the great European rally - The Alpine Trial, when for several days, individual drivers, and teams of cars from several countries fought it out around the great Alpine passes, to win the team Alpine Cup.
They’d done well that is until 1934, when everything changed, and the team of new BMW 315’s (in line V6) won the 1500cc team prize for Germany. This was of course a triumph for Germany and as Jenkinson notes in his book, Munich - and the emergent National Socialist Party, welcomed the victorious drivers back into the city.
The story goes that Managing Director H J Aldington was so impressed by this that he went back to Germany and negotiated with BMW to be able to import (and badge) these new cars and sell them in the UK as Frazer Nash BMW’s. The 319 Type 55 sports roadster that my father would later buy was the more powerful 1911cc version.
Denis Jenkinson had long been one of my heroes since my early 356 days. It was his book ‘A Passion for Porsches’ that really started my emotional journey with old Porsches.
When researching the Frazer Nash Archives for ‘The AFN Story’ Denis Jenkinson (a Frazer Nash TT replica owner himself) appears to have sorted the individual car’s build details matching them where possible with their registration numbers.
And sure enough, there on the build sheet/service record for my father’s car, Chassis 56131, is the added annotation ‘ASC131’ signed by DSJ himself! (It was also lovely that the reg number allocated in Edinburgh before the existence of the DVLA tied in with the chassis number -131).
We completed our submission with all this authenticated material, and set off to post it at a Post office in Bristol. This was the part of the process that we have absolutely no control over. We’ve done everything we could, but now we were in the hands of the DVLA. We were told that we should not expect to hear anything for up to six weeks.
know just how important it was for ASC131, my father’s old car to be re-allocated its original number. Since locating and then buying and importing the Frazer Nash/BMW this is the thing that really worried me most about the process - dealing with the DVLA.
I don’t need to tell you how important this was. The iconic picture of ASC131 ascending the Bo’ness hillclimb at speed, the grainy pictures of that car - my father’s car, pictures of which I carried in my wallet for so many years, they’re all tied together by that registration number. If I couldn’t get that number I’d feel mighty angry, and frustrated - because surely this car, and that number belong together.
Our submission to the DVLA not only had the assessment from the BMW Historic Owners Club technical officer, Mark Garfitt, confirming the car’s originality, but it also had the Frazer Nash Archives authenticated copy of page 790 of the AFN service records, (AFN were the sole distributors of the Frazer Nash/BMW in the UK).
For me, this document is absolutely fascinating, and here’s why.
I bought Denis Jenkinson’s ‘From Chain Drive to Turbocharger’ some time ago - interested primarily in the Porsche element of this story about AFN, the first Porsche UK distributors. As I got more into the business of finding my father’s old Frazer Nash/BMW, the early days of the company became increasingly relevant.
I learnt the story, from Jenkinson’s book, that Frazer Nash’s had always done well in the great European rally - The Alpine Trial, when for several days, individual drivers, and teams of cars from several countries fought it out around the great Alpine passes, to win the team Alpine Cup.
They’d done well that is until 1934, when everything changed, and the team of new BMW 315’s (in line V6) won the 1500cc team prize for Germany. This was of course a triumph for Germany and as Jenkinson notes in his book, Munich - and the emergent National Socialist Party, welcomed the victorious drivers back into the city.
The story goes that Managing Director H J Aldington was so impressed by this that he went back to Germany and negotiated with BMW to be able to import (and badge) these new cars and sell them in the UK as Frazer Nash BMW’s. The 319 Type 55 sports roadster that my father would later buy was the more powerful 1911cc version.
Denis Jenkinson had long been one of my heroes since my early 356 days. It was his book ‘A Passion for Porsches’ that really started my emotional journey with old Porsches.
When researching the Frazer Nash Archives for ‘The AFN Story’ Denis Jenkinson (a Frazer Nash TT replica owner himself) appears to have sorted the individual car’s build details matching them where possible with their registration numbers.
And sure enough, there on the build sheet/service record for my father’s car, Chassis 56131, is the added annotation ‘ASC131’ signed by DSJ himself! (It was also lovely that the reg number allocated in Edinburgh before the existence of the DVLA tied in with the chassis number -131).
We completed our submission with all this authenticated material, and set off to post it at a Post office in Bristol. This was the part of the process that we have absolutely no control over. We’ve done everything we could, but now we were in the hands of the DVLA. We were told that we should not expect to hear anything for up to six weeks.