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Re: My Lola T492 Race Car

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andytat wrote:Fantastic stuff, memories are flooding back!

KS. Is the blue car behind the black Lola a Reliant Kitten run by Ginger Marshall?

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I believe it is! What fantastic racing that was.

Anyway, back to Graham... Graham? Wake up! Your fans are waiting! :)
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Mike, the guy in Epsom I bought the car from got the car with the Ghia body still on it, but it had been crushed by some falling pallets way back and beyond repair so went to the tip.
This is why the new Lola body was on the car.

Skipping round the time line here, but there were many hours spent getting the car ready to start, move and even race (such optimism). The webers looked ok that came with the engine, all electrics were good, had 2.5 psi at the carbs so a good friend and I attempted to start it. The huge RedTop battery that came with the car was fresh, fully charged and had huge capacity, just as well. Perhaps of note is the epicyclic geared Brize starter motor I'd fitted due to the tight space issues, nice and very light.

It churned and churned and spat and farted into some kind of running but run it did but it seemed so rough.

https://youtu.be/l5EGeCjASfc

It clearly needed some serious tuning, so for some reason other than they were close I took the car to HiTec in Kidderminster where the Boss looed at it and seemed hesitant, he was not sure about the triple webers but would 'have a go'. Mick did in fact improve things but did nt have all the jets to get them right, and surrendered as out of his scope.

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Convinced the carbs were done for I traded them for a set of PMO 55mm carbs, nearly new and fitted them. PMO carbs looked fabulous, hopes were high.

Rather obviously, the car was then taken down to Bob Watson for a session on his RR. I think I avoided Bob's due to the difficulty of getting the trailer to the shop, I really don't like reversing trailers!

Bob's reaction to the unbodied car was just short of aghast. He had never seen anything quite like it and although I new him well, he was surprised I had done this car and almost immediately asked why I had not put twin turbos on it!
I left the car with Bob for the week, and on the Wednesday he called to say the ignition was useless and that he had gutted the hall effect ignition and replaced it with a simple points and coil/condenser on the RS spec distributor and the car was responding well, collect it on the Saturday.

I think Andy Lightweight and Nick / RedTech also saw the car that week?
Bob made a video up on You Tube of the whole process from rough to smooth but I can't locate it nowadays, pity because it was very interesting.

He coaxed 247 bhp and I think 220 lbft from it which I thought all a bit low, but that's what it had!
It started well, ran smooth and sounded good through the heavy Custom Chrome silencers, soon doomed to the shed.

That major milestone done, I set about setting the suspension.....

After making up the bars front and rear, borrowed a camber gauge and set all the geo where I thought it should be and from various spec sheets I had gathered. The new springs were circuit spec so I put the springs off the front to the rear, and fitted new fronts about 1/2 the circuit rate. Hill climb cars need to be supple.

That all went well. I used high tensile fishing line, bright purple down each side and digital calipers to set it all, getting the suspension equal distant to the car's centre line was the hardest. With 14" wide rear wheels you need to be very careful of camber and around the whole car bump steer despite the small suspension travel.
I later found out this is not my speciality.

So, where are we now? Ready for our first entry, a hillclimb at my favorite hill, Loton Park close to Welshpool, my car club's own track, time to get the car Log-Booked.

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I had missed a trick. Thinking Sports Libre was indeed 'liberated sports' I forgot there are rules!

The rules say all wheels and tyres viewed from the top/plan must be covered and these wheels certainly weren't. The Log Book was refused which technically meant I could not run the car, but...got dispensation if I fixed it asap for the next meeting.

This meant some nifty aluminium sheet spats were velcroed/riveted to the 4 arches to cover the tyres:

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That first event was very 'eventful' and my first time in an open car on a hill being used to the cosy and assuring close cars of the 911 and the Impreza wearing an open-faced helmet.
It was un nerving! The open sensation with no protection stayed with me for years as well as getting my glasses on after putting the helmet on.

6 point seat belts take some getting used to and all this dis-comfort was a major fall back from my expectations, just what had I done?

It goes downhill much harder next time...
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Really enjoying this read Graham, thank you.

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911hillclimber wrote:
I left the car with Bob for the week, and on the Wednesday he called to say the ignition was useless and that he had gutted the hall effect ignition and replaced it with a simple points and coil/condenser on the RS spec distributor and the car was responding well, collect it on the Saturday.

I think Andy Lightweight and Nick / RedTech also saw the car that week?
Yes - saw it at Bob's when I took my '73 911E/S down for a rolling road session ...


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Thanks for the pictures Andy.
If I may set you some homework:

You seem to be able to find anything on the net, perhaps you could explore the You tube channel to find the video Bob put up the week after you saw the car?
I know he spelt 'Lola' wrong, maybe Lota. I once had that video and thought I'd kept it, but I cannot find it anywhere. Would be good to find it again!
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The car came back from Bob's along with a bag of bits of the ignition system from Aldon Automotive, it was a special done by them for me, pity to scrap £200 of stuff!
Needless to say, my £20K budget was now shattered, luckily, my wife likes motorsport. I never had a cheap bill from Bob! :lol:

One other item he though was poor was the gearbox. He found it hard to select a gear in many ways, and this area was to haunt me for years to the point of throwing it all away and going Historic Karting in Class 4 Villiers engined Barlotti I rebuilt about 3 years from where we currently are. So, so close.

Got it home and had a tinker and did a few hills with the car slowly, complete with twitchy handling, a dicky gearchange and a sharp engine, all was not well. I also had a growing hate of trailers.

The gearbox baulked and was very heavy to change gear esp from 2 to 3rd, 3rd to 2nd. On any hill I only use 1st once, and 4th once at Shelsley Walsh.

The change quality ruined many meetings as I tried to find a sweet spot until one day at Loton, set off from the start full-bore to second and BANG the gearbox broke.

In a short story the box was delivered to a new specialist to me, Mike Bainbridge in the glorious Lake District, not too far, nice for a weekend away too!
The box came with the engine, a 1986 915 5 speeder with LSD which Crispin must have fitted for Terry.

Mike did the usual 10 minute blurr of a strip down before I left and the box was toast. The synchro teeth were everywhere and the main bearings were spinning in the alum cases, typical 915 failure.

Mike put it all back together and met me at a Kentucky Fried Chicken car park on the M6 on his way down to this brothers place to deliver it. Back in the car, I thought the troubles were all gone.
No.
Next meeting the box went BANG again. It lasted 7 gearchanges, same failure mode too.
Repeated the trip to the Lakes and the box was full of synchro teeth, about 101 of them, everywhere inside, many came out with the oil. Heart saddening, wallet wilting and another re-build with some trick rations, trick loose first gear input shaft and a few other tweeks by the gearbox man and back in the car.

I found out what had happened. The clutch was a DIY hydraulic job and to get the clutch to release I had to shorten the actuation arm which made the pedal hard to say the least. When I pressed the clutch down to change gear off the line, and with the violent acceleration I slid up the seat and could not press the pedal down far enough to clear the clutch, so slammed into 2nd with power full passing through, a crude power shift.
915 boxes don't tolerate that, so it failed, twice, £3500. Operator error, just as Mike had said.

Due to the damaged alum case in the first rebuild, I sacrificed my 911's original mag alloy box that was asleep in the garage (my 911 has a 1985 3.2/915 box).

Bloody hell, this was getting depressing. Back in the car, I re-'engineered' the clutch pedal geometry and tightened the crutch and shoulder seat belts to the point of a high pitched voice from the driver.
It has not failed ever since, but....

The other issue not helping was the gear shift itself. I have the original Lola gear shift lever and rods that pass on the right hand side to the rear of the car via 3 UJ steering joints, the small motorsport ones, orange gaiter. The lever is 3" long. A 911 lever is about 10" from top to fulcrum.
It then has to get to the rear of the 915 box to the input selector shaft. Ideally, the H gate is normal, but my simplified coupling at the back made the H more of a V and very easy to select the wrong gear, ie 1st to 3rd, 3rd to forth when I needed 2nd, urgently.

Eventually, I succumbed to using the mechanism Crispin had engineered. This was full of rose joints and you could adjust yourself into trouble as well as out of it.
However, it worked!
Some hours tinkering got it right, I had a true H gate and the effort was reduced by elongating the lever a further 1" and above all, CHANGE GEAR SLOWLY.
I went on to further enhance Crispin's design by adding a strong detent spring to stop the pratt driver selecting Reverse instead of 4th (5th had been blanked-off by Mike, redundant gear.

Maybe these pictures help!

Original linkage I did (same as Ultima do too)

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Crispin's linkage:

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And with reverse lock-out spring.

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I now had a car that went, slowly changed gear to the gear I wanted, a clutch that was semi-light and a chassis that twitched just about everywhere except on the start line. :oops:

This resulted in a major off at Loton whizzing through 'Cedar Straight' which is anything but. The car just went off the track into the undergrowth at about 80 mph and kissed an old military dwarf wall that litter Loton Park from the WW2 munitions camp days. The NSF wheel caught the wall but not hard. The grass was full of catapillars, orange with black stripes that covered me and the inside of the car.
The medics arrived. You must NEVER try to get out of your car after a crash, it is forbidden. Stay sat, stay strapped in.
So I did get out and had a big bollocking off a lady marshal who knew a few words I didn't.

The Dr moved his finger across in front of my eyes, a standard test while I stood there, he nearly hypnotised me! I was Ok, the car looked sort of ok.
The NSF nose was smashed on the body, and the Dymag wheel bent by 6mm out of true.

Ian Jameson up north did a fab job on the wheel, and I repaired the body and painted the corner a wonderful assortment of stripes. That was crash #1 of 3 done.

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Re: My Lola T492 Race Car

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911hillclimber wrote:Thanks for the pictures Andy.
If I may set you some homework:

You seem to be able to find anything on the net, perhaps you could explore the You tube channel to find the video Bob put up the week after you saw the car?
I know he spelt 'Lola' wrong, maybe Lota. I once had that video and thought I'd kept it, but I cannot find it anywhere. Would be good to find it again!
Unfortunately the video clip is no longer available (I think this is the one you were referring to) ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjglkRtkhoA

Here's your original 2011 post with the link to the video:

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Thank you Andy, forgotten I had posted it on DDK, seems ages ago.
I guess that's it then, lost in time.
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I think I'll wrap this little story up here, as I think the essence of the car has been 'revealed'.

Just to finish it off, here is a potted history hurriedly put together some time ago for a race car focused forum. It has been cut down to fit space available in a single post.

I hope this has entertained a few for a while as we all grind through this life restriction, the hill climb season may reduce to 3 events but we shall see. :)

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How to find your chassis number:

Here is the summary of the Lola, but it is the story of the quest to find and have approved by Lola Heritage the chassis number HU62.


After hill climbing my Porsche 911 from 1991 to about 2003 I hill climbed my Impreza for a few years, and the car passed to Martyn Silcox, Secretary of your favourite Car Club!
I first saw a Lola T492 at the Racing Car show at Stoneleigh on the sports 2000 stand and was immediately totally smitten,
The car was fitted with a Cosworth turbo engine and an FT200 box, modified suspension, new roll cage and a new body. We went to Surry to see it, fell in love but only as a rolling chassis, engine and box were far too much. A week later it was in my back garden.



I had a plan for the car. It had to have a big engine and a Rover V8 seem right, sounded right and was cheap. However, the gearbox was a real pain, the cheapest one I could find was £5000 with Roy Lane.

On the day of a decision about it all a Porsche engine and box came to my attention through the Porsche Club, an engine I knew from a man I knew so suddenly the Lola would be Porsche powered, a Lola-Porsche, sounded good!
The chassis was brilliant, neat tidy with a lot of extra holes in funny places…but no chassis number. Bit of a worry, was this a ‘hot’ car?
I joined the forum, Ten-Tenths, historic section and started a thread to see if anyone knew this car. I have to marvel at the Internet, it is brilliant and without it this car would be lost to history.
Here I will tell the story and that the chase for the number became a whole ‘Life with a Hill climb Lola’ that now has over 621,000 hits and 1900+ posts. Amazing.

The first suggestion was the car belonged to Mr Toleman (as in F2/F1 fame). This T 490 was one of 10 built in 1977 and registered as HU6 and was raced by Tiff Needell amongst others at the time. The car went to Alan Humberstone who bodied it with a Skoda shell in Thunder Saloons (Wendy Wools Championship) but had a huge accident first time out with a BDG engine/FT box fitted. The damaged tub was too far gone and that car still exists in Spain.


It is a late 1978 car and a T 492 which meant it had twin side mounted radiators, and my car had the larger rectangular tube rear chassis. The chassis design was changed due to stress cracks found in the first cars around HU 47 (Lola made 100 492’s) so I knew the car was after HU47 which tinned the field down a bit.

This chat led to Alan Humberstone’s crashed car and a pair of lads who were given the job of ‘re-shelling’ the Humberstone’s broken HU6 ready to race again, Tony Harman (linked to Haggispeed) and John Schnieder in a small lock-up down Essex way (home area for Humberstones business of transporting Fords all over the UK).

Clive found Tony and John’s phone numbers. Yes, indeed they had built the new car, Tony had a lot of pictures of the build and would I like a copy of them? Oh yes!. John couldn’t remember much (at all) but remembered removing the chassis plate. He might still have it somewhere…that came to zero!
Tony’s pictures are amazing, every detail is there and still on my car inc all the holes for various panels and things used to adapt the car for an RS200 turbo/500bhp rally engine and box and a sleek fibreglass/Kevlar body based on a Karman Ghia coupe taken off the moulds of the Dr Enderby Imp silhouette car. This body was painted a lurid Pink. Alan raced the car once! The chassis had AP racing brakes and the engine installed by a Mr Lee, a friend of Alans. I was sent on 10/10th a picture of it racing at Brands, and it looked fantastic.



The car was damaged, but not badly. Alan went to Spain to live.Alan remembered buying the car from two gents who had bought it from a farmer who had bought it damaged from someone else who raced it in the Caribbean Airlines race in the early 80’s at Brands. This was magic for Clive and Driftwood, some facts to work on as both were very involved in silhouette racing back then.

I (we) managed to get some early names from the early 80’s, Bernie Garwood drove it for the owner, name unknown but the trial again dried-up. I kept searching almost obsessively on the ‘net for info, found pictures of the HU6 Skoda car and lots more, but then Clive suggested a break-through idea.

I needed to find the dealer who was based in Essex, and why not try a small article in the local paper to see if that might jog some memories. The names I had were Dennis Humphries and Len Merchant.
The editor thought this a good local interest article so with a picture it went to press. Silence.
After 2 weeks I had a phone call from Spain. “Hello, I understand you are looking for me?”
That sounded a bit ominous, but it was Dennis! Len had seen the article (Len sell garage equipment now) and had found long lost friend Dennis’ phone number.
He and Len had bought two cars from a Farmer, both restored. One was a red Lola T492 which he has bought slightly damaged from a forgotten named driver. Two days after getting them (the Lola had a Pinto engine on twin webbers etc) he sold the Lola to a Mr Harry Humberstone, Alan’s father to rebuild a race car….
We found the phone number for the Farmer with the amazing memory of Driftwood who still drives past the farm to his race car warehouse business. He thought this was the farmer. He always seemed to remember a farmer in his area with a Lola T492 who never raced it. So, I eagerly called the farmer, Paul Wilkins.
Yes, he did have an old Lola once, bought after a Carribean Airlines race from someone. Would I like the 2 photo’s he had….Paul had restored the car with a new body as the original (red) body was too far gone.
He sold the pair of cars to 2 blokes, Dennis and Len. Bingo!
“Oh, and I still have the original front section of the car in the barn, would I like that too?”

The front clam was covered in farm barn dirt, a dull red, #26 on the front and a Caribbean airways sticker on the side. It was quite shattered and the red paint peeling off. Under that red paint was a lurid green gell coat of the original body moulding.
Back to the sales ledger for the T492 from the Lola factory and there were just 2 Kelly Girl Green cars made!
One was a T490 converted to 492 spec belonging to Bob in Canada who had been following the thread from the start. His car HU4 is the earliest known car of the series, and the other Green car was T 492 HU 62, a late ‘large tube’ chassis car.
This car of mine must be that car! Lola Heritage agreed 100% and allocated HU62. Never before had they seen such research into a car’s past (esp as it is not worth much!)

The tub now has the HU 62 chassis plate. What a marathon and in all that there was a nice twist at the end…
I had an email via 10/10th from a lady who had found some pictures of her father and his Lola T492, red, prepared for the Caribbean Airlines race. The family had lots of great memories racing the car. He father had recently died and she had found the pictures, did a search on the internet and found my thread and the story of this car. She was so happy that the car was alive and well and bought back fond memories of her father Perter Newman, the name nobody could remember.

The original owner from the build sheet was Peter Sadler who made ornamental tea pots!

So, after Alan had it and crashed it with the Ghia body on, the car disappeared into Essex, passing though the hands of several people, Brian at Autoquip added the big Brembo brakes and the Cosworth engine but it languished until Mike Ingles bought it in 2006.
Mike wanted to build a car to run at the Brighton Speed Trials, and alongside the GT40 and the real RS Escort.
When Mike got it the Ghia body had been smashed beyond repair, so he bought the new red Lola Sports 2000 body and had installed a new roll cage to the original Lola pattern, but the car needed a lot more doing to it to run as a race car. Looking to retire to France, Mike saw my ad in the Sports 2000 web site and the car came to me.
It now has another T 492 body, 20Kg lighter than the red one.


With the car working quite well and with me feeling more relaxed driving it the 2016 season opened out to be a corker. The car ran well and the pilot errors seem to be reducing and despite some strong competition in the small class I managed to win the Class in the Midland hillclimb Championship, my name engraved next to some mega drivers who had driven in the Libre Class, over 2 litres.
This was a real achievement for me as the nuts n bolts have been my first love with this car. The narrowing of the wheels (!) has worked out well, it is so much easier to drive and the grip is all still there except off the start line where wheel spin is a real issue, but that is me just being too rough maybe.
The 2017 season was just as ‘unspectacular’ with the car driving better, and on fresh slicks things were nice and stable. The chassis set-up done by McClurg Motorsport was unchanged, and leaving the car ‘as-is’ really helped me win the Class again!
With the class seriously depleted I found myself merged with the boys in the Under 2 litres, all motorbike engine cars bar David’s fab Crossle, so rarely won on the day, but accrued enough points to win the Class a third time. Talk about a good ego boost, my name on the same trophy 3 times in a row.

Conversely, we entered the new ‘Invited’ class of the Porsche hillclimb day at Prescott and ran away with the 1st position. We are going back in 2020!

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The result though of the season was 2nd in class in the Championship, so my run of good luck rapidly stopped. Rather think 2020 will be the same, maybe worse…

I am toying with the idea to put a bike engine into the car to save about 110Kg, have a very high revving engine and a slick sequential box, but the old 3.2 Porsche just looks so right in there, it would be a wrench to do this.
However, if I’m careful I could make the swop reversible.

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911hillclimber wrote:Suspension episodes and trials and tribulations next...
911hillclimber wrote:I think I'll wrap this little story up here, as I think the essence of the car has been 'revealed'.
Come on, you can't get away that lightly...
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Fascinating story - & proves that perseverance pays off !! ...

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Thanks for making the time to post your story


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Thanks for taking the time to post your journey with the Lola
but I'm eager to hear more,.
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Here is a brief video of Graham I took at Loton Park in 2010, there are a few other Porsche hillclimb videos on the same channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbUqjE1 ... Q&index=21
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